A Brief Smile Gay-Bashed On NY Radio
Rachael of The Underrated Blog points us to a intensely homophobic interview with A Brief Smile, as conducted by the utter pricks who run 92.3's 'The Dog House'. I'm seriously at a loss for words. Luckily, Rachael transcoded the interview into a convenient MP3 format which can be found HERE. You can listen for yourself and hear how horrible these hosts are.As the story goes, Music Slut Spring Flingers went on the program last week to discuss the band, their music and just basically introduce the radio world to one of NY's brightest shining bands. What they surely didn't expect was for 'The Dog House' DJs describe their music as pretty good 'minus the homo part'. What happens afterwards is an brutal escalation into labelling the band's music as 'faggy' and then ultimately, repeatedly pummeling ABS bassist, John, with anti-gay slurs after his request for the 'DJs' (used incredibly loosely) to end their homophobic comments and declaring his bisexuality. John winds up leaving the set after the morons refuse to curtail their language. Then, a parade of callers chime in throwing out insults the band, and in particular John, a whole other bevy of anti-gay slurs. Truly. fucking. disgusting.
Read some more on the incident over at Queerty, & WFMU (whom the band gave a 'faggy' shout-out to during the program)
In more positive ABS news, they sounded terrific at our Spring Fling on the 24th, read Rachael's review of that show by following this link.
MP3: A Brief Smile - Pretty Mess
UPDATE: We strongly urge you to sign the petition with the FCC regarding The Dog House's hate speech. You can do so here! (Thanks, Anthony)
Labels: a brief smile, gay, radio
posted by m | 9:31 AM
61 Comments:
That really disgusts me. I just filed a complaint with the FCC, and I advise everyone who was offended by these hateful comments to do the same: http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cib/fcc475B.cfm. I can't believe this was allowed on the radio.
agreed anthony. i just filed as well. thanks for the link.
You're all delusional and have no idea what actually happened.
Dude... JV & Elvis are totally kidding around... they do that with everyone. I think one of the in studio people is gay.
There's something to be said for shock radio and these guys are pretty great at it.
But that's just me.
anons, actually i do have an idea what happened b/c it's all recorded on mp3, the entire thing.
secondly, i'd just like to say for the record that what was said was rude, uncalled for and most definitely not funny. homophobic is the only word to describe it.
if the guys had a hip-hop band in there and used the N word left and right 'jokingly', would your thoughts change at all? or how about if it was a hispanic band and he repeatedly called them 'spics'. what about chinks? guidos? dykes?
it's just not right, period.
u guys are sad...u have the audio right in front of u they didnt know he was gay till the end of the interview...he was kicked out for being a scumbag..and the next day sent an email into the show for being an asshole...the word faggy was used as dorky or corny nothing to do with the basists sexuality...the fcc cant do anything about it cause once he said he was a bisexual man they never again said fag to him ... so u can stop sending ur letters to fcc and 92.3 is on the tightest leash after all the years of stern so if any action was gunna be taken it would have happened already.. and they never put down the music infact all the ppl part of the show really liked it except the said the basist was an ass...the callers were bashing him....get the facts straight all ur doing is promoting this show and having more ppl tune in if u hate it u wouldnt say anything about it
They started calling the guy a fag just because of the way he was acting. They did not know anything about his sexuality. Once he mentioned that he was bi, they stopped saying fag.
The bassist even sent an apology email the next day admitting that he was out of line and shouldn't have acted the way he did.
So now you can't call music faggy if there's a fag in the band? The Web guy for the show is in a band(Madison Strays) that a lot of the fans of the show believe their music is faggy too.
I dont' feel like arguing here again. Just go look at the comments on that Queerty site.
i guess we've been linked on the 'assholes anonymous' forum.
furthermore, when the guys had cazwell on their program they said that gays were 'disease ridden' and 'only live to fuck'.
oh and here's some more choice words from the sweethearts:
http://jvandelvis.blogspot.com/2007/01/happy-mlk-day_15.html
via their own blog. such nice guys.
I understand that you are fans of the group therefore you will defend them to the "death". Before you go bashing on the Dog House I believe you should listen to the show for more than just one day to understand their style. Basically do your research and just don't go by what others said. Not many radio station would let an independent artist/group go on the air. When you go to a friend's house you wouldn't disrespect them. The bass player disrespected the Dog House and that's why they got angry. But I'm sure you're judgement is clouded once you heard the "F" word. But keep in mind, HE DISRESPECTED the Dog House when they were giving them exposure. JV did STOP using the "F" once he learned that he's bisexual.
I know what you're going to say, "That doesn't change the meaning of the word", even though the Dog House wasn't using it in that term. They were using the word more like in the terms of "coward" ... same way as African Americans use the "N" word to call each other "buddy". If you listen to Michael Richards the way he used the "N" word or Mel Gibson, then you can tell the difference of how the Dog House used the "F" word. They didn't say that you should all burn to hell and you're evil. Not at all.
I believe you are overreacting and giving much power to the word. Same thing with the "N" word. You are creating the uproar. Not the Dog House.
I have spoken my peace.
btw that terrible song u have linked a top stinks compared to the other song 'this machine'
Oy. I know there's no point in fighting back because I imagine it won't change any of your views, but I can't help myself. Using the word "faggot" no matter what connotation, whether you know the person is gay or not or if you are joking is not okay. It is derogatory and morally wrong. There are a million words in the English language; it wouldn't kill these DJs to learn a few more that may justly express how they actually feel. Bullying kids and being politically incorrect for entertainment's sake is lazy. There's better shockjock djs out there, and these are not two of them. And I'm still completely shocked and disappointed that more people do not see that this kind of behavior is sick and should not be allowed.
You can tell me its a joke until your blue in the face, but I frankly don't find any of this funny. And I do have a sense of humor, in case you were going to use that to spat back.
well said, rachael.
Well at least be honest. You're pissed because The Dog House used a word, not because they "gay bashed" the bass player from a bright smile. Why turn it into an attack on your sexuality and play the victim. Why not just admit the truth, which is that The Dog House used the word fag and you don't like it.
Try listening to this to hear the true Dog House stance on homosexuality. Listen to it in it's entirety.
http://podcast.923freefm.com/wfny/101486.mp3
Well at least be honest. You're pissed because The Dog House used a word, not because they "gay bashed" the bass player from a bright smile. Why turn it into an attack on your sexuality and play the victim. Why not just admit the truth, which is that The Dog House used the word fag and you don't like it.
Hmm well what's wrong with that? There's no reason to use slur words like that and people don't like it when people are attacked with words like that. If the hosts decide that since "nigga" is now a redefined version of "nigger" and ok to use in the "corny" was to indicate friendship, I'm pretty sure people would also be complaining because he used a word they didn't like. How is that any different from using fag as a derogatory term?
Also interesting to see everyone on here is posting anonymously to defend the hosts of the show.
agreed wes. my point exactly.
"Also interesting to see everyone on here is posting anonymously to defend the hosts of the show."
Not exactly Wes. NOT EVERYONE. Koof and I are not posting as Anonymously and we're defending the hosts of the show.
But if you and the others feel strongly about the WORD then why not take it to the government and have the word banned? Just a suggestion.
I know you're probably thinking "It shouldn't be used at all". Well, people have different opions as you can see.
Get over it. You'll always be called fags. People will never stop using the word. The bassist sucked, we'll never agree, so drop it. Nobody is going to win this one. I'll tell you one thing, if it's not dropped, a lot of people are going to have a lot of fun bashing all the bitch ass cry babies. I suggest you just move on and prevent to prevent the bashing.
Liste guys. Just ignore the Doghouse fans. They will not let up. They totally destroyed queerty.com. It took hours of maintenance to fix the bandwith. These biggots will not stop, and will not change.
Paul Raposo
Hmm well what's wrong with that?
Nothing, just be honest. They weren't gay bashing. They used a word you didn't like. They didn't go after the guy for being bisexual, they went after him for acting like a baby.
There's no reason to use slur words like that and people don't like it when people are attacked with words like that.
That's your opinion and you're welcome to it. My take is that if we keep demonizing words instead of their meaning, we are moving in the wrong direction. You're giving that word more power than it deserves, especially considering that it wasn't used in the hateful context.
When a porn star says he's here to work on your pipes it's different than when a plumber says it. Context is everything. That's just my opinion.
If the hosts decide that since "nigga" is now a redefined version of "nigger" and ok to use in the "corny" was to indicate friendship, I'm pretty sure people would also be complaining because he used a word they didn't like.
Interesting take. Possibly, but possibly not. They say jiggaboo, monkey and other black racial slurs from time to time, in a joking fashion. Not one of the black listeners has, to date, called up and made a big fit about it. Not one black group has gone after the Dog House. It's all in fun, and they don't hold back any punches.
You may not like them, that's your prerogative. But why call them gay bashers, when in fact you just dislike their use of the word. Why not just come out and say the truth?
How is that any different from using fag as a derogatory term?
That's my point, it's not different. They equally joke with every derogatory term. It's part of their show. To be honest, when I hear them joke about the derogatory terms that describe me, it gives those terms a lot less power because the word doesn't become 'that which we don't say'.
You guys are just so dishonest. You say it's gay bashing and that you want to be treated like everyone else. The truth of the matter is that you DON'T want them to use fag and you want special treatment. You guys know they weren't "gay bashing". In the end its censorship and special treatment. They joke about everyone, so to treat fag differently is special treatment.
The show is hilarious, some people love it, some people hate it. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
I do find it rather amusing that its almost soley the bigoted folks posting here that refuse to use their names. I find it further laughable that people are rationalizing when and if its appropriate to use the word "faggot" on air to describe ANYONE or ANYTHNG at ANYPOINT. Then again, why am I surprised that people who host a program called "The Dog House" wouldn't see a problem with using such hideous language. Anyone here or else where that condone it for any reason turn my stomach!
It seems like to me you're screaming "Fire!" when there isn't any.
While we're at it. Why not ban the word "Bitch", "Fuck", "Asshole", and etc.
There's always going to be a word that someone is not going to like.
Evelyn said...
What a lame as joke of a comment Flesh... Are you really that moronic of an individual that you aren't able to process the difference between the term Faggot and Fuck. Clearly some folks here are hitting the bottom of the intelligence barrel.
Thank you Evelyn for insulting when I was just stating my opinion and proving a point. Speak for yourself when you say, "Clearly some folks here are hitting the bottom of the intelligence barrel."
This is all a matter of opinion. They have a bisexual man working at the station and he has no problem. I know of other homosexuals that have no problem as well.
But thanks for being so mature to put me down just because I stated my opinion. I didn't personally attack anyone. So much for freedom of speech!
I find it further laughable that people are rationalizing when and if its appropriate to use the word "faggot" on air to describe ANYONE or ANYTHNG at ANYPOINT.
Funny how none of my posts are ever replied to. Why don't you come out and say you don't believe in the first amendment.
It's not the Dog House "gay bashing" you have a problem with, because it didn't happen. You're just using this to further your agenda. Which is cool, but let's discuss that instead of this bull you're trying to claim. What is really bothering you is the use of the word, not this alleged "gay bashing".
Then again, why am I surprised that people who host a program called "The Dog House" wouldn't see a problem with using such hideous language. Anyone here or else where that condone it for any reason turn my stomach!
I think all of my posts have been pretty intelligible thus far. As far as this part of your post, way to prejudge something. Way to practice what you preach. . .hypocrite.
Wow Koof...tres impressive. You're clearly very articulate and mature. As everyone on the 'internets' knows, the person who types the same word over and over again CLEARLY wins the argument. Let me guess...never took much to book learning?
The bottom line is that these men make a living by making fun of everyone. Personally, I think your IQ has to be below room temperature to get a chuckle from listening to this crap. Who thinks this is funny?
It also seems that everyone 'defending' these douche bags is homophobic anyway. Almost every comment made in defense of these idiots involves homophobic stereotyping and some generic comment gleaned from fox news about what ‘the gays' look like or do in the bedroom. Actually, it sounds a lot like the uneducated bullshit they spin on this show everyday. Do any of you dog defenders even know any gay people? And I'm not referring to the fake lesbians you've seen in porn. I'm referring to the millions of gay men and women who work hard at your offices, restaurants, schools, and businesses only to be denied the same rights and privileges that you take for granted on a daily basis. The fight for equal rights is ongoing and part of THAT fight is getting words like this out of the common lexicon. I don't advocate censorship or forcing people to stop using words of their choosing but by using the word on a near daily basis for no other reason than for “shock value” is damaging for them and the public. First, if they continue to use the word, it will no longer be “shocking”. Second, by using the word on a regular basis, they encourage the public to become desensitized to the word and it’s history and this further disenfranchises the group the word is used to describe. Freedom of expression and of the press is important but so is the responsibility of the press and people who are broadcasting to the public. They should have the common sense not to use words like this because it groups an entire segment of the population into one category, strips people of their individuality, and encourages those outside of the group to think of them according to the stereotypes the word invokes. Why can’t these bigoted Neanderthal DJ’s figure out any other way to articulate their views without relying on antiquated stereotypes and playground put-downs? I've heard nothing on their show to imply that they are anything but raging homophobes who seem to spend most of their time arguing like five year olds and sneak attacking unsuspecting guests. I bet prank phone calls and potty humor get them hard.
To add to my last comment, I was being sarcastic and showing how ridiculous this is getting.
Fleshy, is someone forcing you to post and read all of these? Feel free to leave off the comments and make this whole situation less 'ridiculous'.
Also, the first amendment right to freedom of speech is not an absolute right. The government has a right to regulate and restrict speech, as it does with many of our other personal freedoms. Furthermore, speech that is considered obscene or constitutes 'fighting words' is not protected. Also, the couple that had sex in St. Patricks did some substantial jail time. If memory serves, Opie and Andy didn't do too damn much to help them out. Are you sure you want to be defending these guys? Shock jocks aren't exactly known for their loyalty or bravery.
Well KOOT, I can't argue with your stats until you tell me where you got them-I'm guessing a site sponsored by the Christian right or Fox news.
Almost all child molesters are men...by your logic we should just get rid of all the men in the world to protect the children. Can't say I'm terribly surprised that you believe these clearly inaccurate statements. How many gay men have you talked to about their sexual experiences or preferences? I'm guessing none. Have you watch "To Catch a Predator"? Almost ALL of the MEN on that show are lining up for underage PUSSY. For every ONE gay man they have on that show, they have about 30 hetero. So either be fair and tell us where you’re getting your jacked up stats or stop hiding behind them.
Christ i'm so sick of arguing with you people, some guy got called a fag, deal with it
We are dealing with it...by posting here...if you have a problem with that, take off. It's not like your 'arguments' have taken this discussion to a new level. I'm sure we'll all be fine with you Jimmy. Happy trails sweet tits.
Not being a fan of the band (I like what I've heard, but I am not overly familiar), I would like to objectively comment on the initial situation.
The fact that these people are defending calling someone (an INVITED GUEST, no less!) the F-word with "Once he mentioned he was bi, they stopped saying f**.", is quite possibly the weakest, most ill-argued, illogical and sophomoric statement I've ever seen. It would be funny if it weren't so pathetically ignorant. As 'm' mentioned earlier, that excuse given for any other minority slur would NEVER hold water ("Once he mentioned he was African-American, they stopped saying n*****!")
Perhaps they should just apologize and move on. Of course, that would require them to have a level of maturity, manliness and bravery that has so far only been displayed by the young man who told them, in the face of adversity and before the world, that he was bi-sexual.
The macho-defensive posturing we are seeing evidenced on this comment page is indicative of nothing more than the cowardly, insecure, playground-bully, adolescent-regressive demographic to which this radio station clearly caters.
Why don't you shut your mouth and be a man?
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Hopefully with more entertaining stats made by the *brilliant* folks at your homophobic website. Can't wait for it KOOF. I think the bigger question is, why does all of this bother you so much pookie? You've posted as much if not more than most of the people here AND went the extra step to revisit your favorite absurdist homophobe site for some sexy stats. I'm guessing your dick hasn't been wet in years...but living with the grandparents does tend to slow the pussy parade.
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One day last year my wife, my three kids and myself were shopping in a local Target store. At the checkout, my kids were being, admittedly a little loud. This prompted someone behind us in line to say, and I quote, "Why can't you filthy breeders contol these brats?" Now I have to say that I had never heard this term before and asked this person for an explanation of what he meant. He became extremely angry and began swearing and cussing at my family.
In the end, store security had to restrain the man and turn him over to the police. I found out later that this is a derogatory word used by some "alternative lifestyle" (I hope I can say that!) people to refer to heterosexuals. So you see, it is all a matter of perspective. If you choose to be thin skinned and easily offended you will be!
Also, the first amendment right to freedom of speech is not an absolute right. The government has a right to regulate and restrict speech, as it does with many of our other personal freedoms. Furthermore, speech that is considered obscene or constitutes 'fighting words' is not protected.
OMG that is such a far right tactic. The far right seeks to outlaw your gay expression in public because it is 'obscene', will someone think of the children.
Face facts, "faggot" is not a term that always constitutes an attack on homosexuals. Elton John understood that, which is why he came out with Eminem to perform Stan. It's a fact of life, you may want to grasp to the word and take offense. But no one cares because it is not about you. In this case it has nothing to do with your sexuality. It's a word, and words take and lose meaning all the time. Theory used to means something more than an educated guess, it doesn't any longer. Scientists can bitch all they want, but it's not going back to meaning a well tested hypothesis. Such is the way of language.
To quote Carlos Mencia "If you can take a dick, you can take a joke..."
I'm not sure I see your point Regan...are you saying that because you, as a heterosexual (and I'm guessing white) male, aren't offended by the term "breeder" used by some random disturbed person, that the rest of the population should be accepting and supportive of ignorant speech used by attention whore dj's? Do your children use derogatory speech? Do you listen to the show with them?
Anonymous-your argument is so poorly worded I'm not even sure I can respond to it. Umm...the freedom of speech thing...that's not a 'far right tactic' and then what's with the kids comment? That's pretty much my previous argument-won't someone think of the children who are going to hear this word used over and over and over again and internalize it. What if your child is gay? And they hear you listening to this radio show, using this word and speaking about gay people in a derogatory manner? what about the children?
And how does the word not constitute an attack on homosexuals? Elton John performed with Eminem but not in support of the WORD-Eminem reached out to Elton to try and rehabilitate his image and to try and contradict reports that he was homophobic. And I have NO idea what you're trying to prove with your misguided tour of linguistics...seriously. How has the word "theory" changed?
I'm also not in the least surprised that you're quoting Carlos Mencia. You know that on top of being an idiot, he's also a thief? He steals pretty much all of his material. You might want to pick a new icon since he even steals most of his racist material :D
Yes Elizabeth, I am that worst segment of the population a "GASP" white heterosexual male! Oh my God he's gonna get his gun and shoot every minority he sees! (of course, now that Elizabeth has pigeonholed me, anything I say will be treated as "gaybashing")
Well Elizabeth, I never said I wasn't offended,
I just don't let the words of others run my life. I have listened to that show for many years, starting in the mid-nineties when they were based here in the Bay Area. I now listen to the show over the internet. I don't allow my children to watch PG13 or R rated movies and I certainly don't allow them to listen to adult oriented talk radio. Which, by the way, is a great point, If you don't like the show, don't listen to it!
BTW, one of those people that refer to with that extremely ugly and hate-filled term "attention whore" happens to be a close relative of mine, should I start calling you all kinds of names because you insulted my family? Don't hold your breath! The problem is yours, don't try to blame someone else for it!
It is also interesting to note that you are the one using derogatory words.
And yes, my kids do use derogatory speech, the other day I heard the three year old call the five year old a "poopface"!
Dearest Regan,
I'm so sorry that I offended one of your family members. As a self-proclaimed "shock-jock" radio host, I'm SURE it's the first time that's EVER happened. And yes, "attention whore" is a simply HORRIBLE phrase to describe someone who is CLEARLY just a shy little violet who doesn't want any attention-who CLEARLY hasn’t made a CAREER out of getting on the radio and making an ass out of most of his guests.
I’m not the only one on this site using derogatory words. If you go back and read the pro-dig posts, almost EVERY one uses extremely derogatory language. I might be the only person posting on the anti-dog side who will deign to use inflammatory language, but it’s not based on race or sexual preference.
I do think that choosing to tell a story that depicts you being verbally 'attacked' by a 'crazy' gay person is a little bit on the insensitive side. You could have easily illustrated your point sans the depiction of gay people as bitter, insane, and violently aggressive. A gay person has never verbally or physically attacked me. Nor have I ever heard of this type of attack before. Do you know any other gay people or was this the only interaction you've ever had with a gay person?
The point I was trying to make by pointing out that you're a hetero white man is that there really aren't any words that will ever have the same impact on you as this word has on the gay community. Can you think of a time you've EVER felt like you were in the minority? Like everyone in the room was making assumptions about you without even bothering to find out what you're really like?
Once again, you assume things and state things that are just not factual. I never said I was offended by your mean-spirited attack, and believe me no one on the Dog House would be either. Why don't you consider stopping yourself from dwelling on our differences and think about that which we may have in common.
Just as I predicted you are attempting to portray me as a homophobic gaybasher!
Just as I predicted, you are trying to twist the story I posted here into an indictment of my character!
I never called the person crazy, YOU DID! I never said the person was gay, bitter, or insane,YOU DID!
Quit trying to make me into what you hate so much! I am not the two-dimensional stereotype that you want me to be.
Yeah that's right, I've never been in a socially akward or intimidating situation. I just walk into a room and everybody falls at my feet and worships me, the big imposing white guy!
Would you call growing up with a younger brother who is gay "interacting"?
Once again, those words that you refer to only have power if you let them! Free yourself!
So how does your gay younger brother feel about all this? Does he love the show? Does he use the word? Does he feel like the DJ’s treat members of the gay community with respect and dignity? They certainly seem to use a lot of derogatory language and stereotypes when they talk about people being gay.
I never called you gay bashing-I think you're reading too much into things. I said that your depiction was insensitive. What else was I supposed to glean from your story? You told a story about how your family was verbally attacked by a gay man who supposedly went out of his way to call you names and became so violent that he had to be restrained...what does that sound like to you? Was that a positive portrayal of a gay person? Why did you bother telling it if you're so afraid of being pegged as a ‘gay basher’?
And I never said that the world fell at your feet-just that you don't know what it's like to be on the other side. It’s more than being socially awkward or intimidated. Can you at least see that? Perhaps that you don’t have the proper perspective to determine the power that certain words have on certain communities? That is the point I’m trying to make which you seem to have missed. You should talk to your gay brother about it. Of course, if your whole family talks about gay people the way these DJ’s do, he might be a little reluctant.
I don’t hate you. I feel sorry for you. And I’m plenty free.
u gays say we hate gays but i think u gays hate us straights ur the ones with the problems
and i dont hate gay ppl i dont care what ur sexual preference is we are all different
I don't think anyone on this site has said that you "hate" gay people...although you did say that you believed most gay people to be pedophiles, which is pretty telling. But you’re speaking from a place of ignorance which seems to be based on propaganda. None of the gay people I know hate straight people. Most gay people were raised my straight people, have straight friends, and straight coworkers. Why would they hate straight people? That’s not even logical. What I really don’t understand is how hetero people can hate gay people. Why? What do they fear? Where does that come from? Why do they care what people do behind closed doors? And why do people like these DJ’s feel like they have to use hateful words to further that sentiment?
lol not to mention JV said nigga on saturday with many blacks in the crowd lol... sure he didnt mean to say nigga he meant nukka but he didnt get called a raacist cause they new it was in good fun
I'm not sure how having a gay brother makes using the word ok. If anything, that makes you pretty much the worst brother in the world. I think it all boils down to the fact that they really should be able to find other equally effective words to describe their feelings about the music or anything else in life. And why would you go to such lengths to post homophobic things if you weren't homophobic? So you're not homophobic now? You love gay people? You're just as irresponsible as they are. I never said that they hate gays but they certainly do encouraging gay stereotypes and homophobia by using this word and in the language they use when discussing gays. When they interviewed the guy who runs that site you quoted, they threw everything at him. They basically managed to gay bash a man who claims to no longer be gay...dumb and dumber. If stupid quips and playground put-downs are what get you off, that's fine. I just don't understand why they have to invoke racism and homophobia to come up with material. And they have a responsibility to the public. They are broadcasters and, therefore, have to adhere to stricter rules. This isn’t your local bar in some backwater part of NJ. This is a nationally broadcast radio show that is on during the day. It’s free to everyone who has a radio. Just because they started in San Fran does NOT mean they have gay fans. They sure as hell aren’t gay advocates. Out of curiosity, what is it about this show that you enjoy so much? And I find it incredibly hard to believe that he wasn't called a racist if he did do that...that's pretty indefensible.
I'm not sure how having a gay brother makes using the word ok. If anything, that makes you pretty much the worst brother in the world.
Maybe it's because they have been in the West Coast for the past ten years, or maybe you're just too sensitive.
In SF the gay people call straight people fag when they act stupid. They call their female friends fag hags. Fag, in Cali, is not usually a dirty word. It's seen as another word for stupid and has nothing to do with sexuality.
I think it all boils down to the fact that they really should be able to find other equally effective words to describe their feelings about the music or anything else in life.
That's not really your call.
And why would you go to such lengths to post homophobic things if you weren't homophobic?
What homophobic thing have I posted? Name one homophobic thing I said here.
So you're not homophobic now? You love gay people?
I have a lot of friends who bat for a different team.
You're just as irresponsible as they are. I never said that they hate gays but they certainly do encouraging gay stereotypes and homophobia by using this word and in the language they use when discussing gays. When they interviewed the guy who runs that site you quoted, they threw everything at him. They basically managed to gay bash a man who claims to no longer be gay...dumb and dumber. If stupid quips and playground put-downs are what get you off, that's fine.
Sounds like you don't like their sense of humor. There are always other stations.
I just don't understand why they have to invoke racism and homophobia to come up with material.
Not your cup of tea? Change the station then. They are not the only show on the air.
And they have a responsibility to the public. They are broadcasters and, therefore, have to adhere to stricter rules.
As far as I know it isn't illegal to say fag on the air. Neither is nigga, as some urban stations use that word on the air. They have rules, very strict rules and they are within the guidelines.
This isn’t your local bar in some backwater part of NJ. This is a nationally broadcast radio show that is on during the day.
No it's a local radio show in the tri-state area. It isn't nationally broadcast.
It’s free to everyone who has a radio.
Right, and anyone with a radio can also change the station
Just because they started in San Fran does NOT mean they have gay fans. They sure as hell aren’t gay advocates.
I didn't say they were. I said that the gay community in SF never had issues with The Dog House. And there are a lot of gay fans of the Dog House. I know plenty from SF.
Out of curiosity, what is it about this show that you enjoy so much? And I find it incredibly hard to believe that he wasn't called a racist if he did do that...that's pretty indefensible.
It's funny, plain and simple. I understand your personality doesn't align with their humor.
Dearest Erik,
I never said I was a victim. I never said I was bisexual. I never said anything about my own sexuality. I think it's telling that you automatically assume that everyone who speaks out against this word is gay. I never said you were homophobic-I was replying to the poster directly above. And I have plenty of west coast gay friends and I’ve never heard one of them using this word the way you just described. I'm so happy that you've accomplished so much with your life and that you aren't offended when they use racial slurs but I'm not sure that the rest of the community would agree with you. I just don't think you should be able to use words like this on a forum that is completely open to the public. Fine if it's on a paid for site. Fine if it's on satellite radio! They can be as vulgar and crass as they want! I could care less! But the fact that this was on the radio, on a morning show, that's unacceptable. You certainly wouldn't be able to say these things on a regular broadcast morning TV show. It’s a forum that’s protected by federal regulations and decency codes…therefore it’s for the public to decide. If this was a blog or some other type of restricted viewing medium, we wouldn’t be having this conversation. But the fact that it’s a broadcast radio show changes the rules entirely. And don’t make assumptions about my personality. You were wrong about everything else.
And it looks like that cat is about as close to pussy as you get, Koof. What is with the pussy fetish? Do you really live with your grandparents. I was kidding...but...it looks like I might have struck a nerve:
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=5918637&albumId=0
I never said I was a victim. I never said I was bisexual. I never said anything about my own sexuality.
My mistake for assuming anything about your sexuality.
As far as the mentality, it has nothing to do whether you are a part of the group or not. The mentality still stands.
I think it's telling that you automatically assume that everyone who speaks out against this word is gay.
Not really. I am hetero, but in SoCal I've stood up to anti-gay religious protesters in recent history. I made a bad assumption. It happens, don't try to derive my entire life out of a slip up.
I never said you were homophobic-I was replying to the poster directly above.
My mistake again.
And I have plenty of west coast gay friends and I’ve never heard one of them using this word the way you just described.
Weird. Our experiences differ here.
I'm so happy that you've accomplished so much with your life and that you aren't offended when they use racial slurs but I'm not sure that the rest of the community would agree with you.
No community agrees with everyone, so you're probably right.
I just don't think you should be able to use words like this on a forum that is completely open to the public. Fine if it's on a paid for site. Fine if it's on satellite radio! They can be as vulgar and crass as they want! I could care less!
They are pretty toned down, and certainly within the FCC restrictions.
But the fact that this was on the radio, on a morning show, that's unacceptable.
They are a mid day show, during the time everyone is at work or school.
You certainly wouldn't be able to say these things on a regular broadcast morning TV show. It’s a forum that’s protected by federal regulations and decency codes…therefore it’s for the public to decide. If this was a blog or some other type of restricted viewing medium, we wouldn’t be having this conversation. But the fact that it’s a broadcast radio show changes the rules entirely. And don’t make assumptions about my personality. You were wrong about everything else.
Once again, they're not prime time.
I'll not make any more assumptions about you, and apologize for any that I had.
Yes...I switched mine to private because I actually have a life outside this blog thread. So sorry you're tooling for relationships on the internet. It does explain a lot about all your pent up anger and hostility. And I'm really glad you took the high road and made all this personal. Sorry you don’t find me attractive. Trust me, the feeling is mutual sweet tits. Seems you don't have a lot else going on other than listening to this show...I can see why you'd defend it so much. I'm really not sure where you are getting this whole “the gay community thinks it's better than you/the rest of the world”. I would have to say that I'm feeling a wee bit better than you myself but looking at your profile would make a 15 year old high school drop out feel like a god. And I'm not afraid to be judged-but you're certainly not worthy or capable of judging me. And, for the record, myspace isn't exactly the best way to "judge" people. But being that you're an inbred piece of uneducated undersexed trash from dirty jerz, I wouldn't expect you to know much about the world or the people who live in it. And no one is asking for special treatment-just the same rights, privileges and freedoms you take for granted on a daily basis. Also, the Yankee’s suck.
And Erik, I appreciate your comments. Thus far, you seem to be the only “Dog House” fan capable of formulating articulate and well thought out arguments. I still don’t agree with you but I appreciate the discourse and fear that we are just going to have to agree to disagree on this one. I think my friend KOOF is a pretty accurate example of what I fear most-people who can’t think for themselves, assume the views of others without any knowledge or natural curiosity about a subject. Media in all of its forms is a powerful tool and can accomplish many incredible and valuable things. But it is also capable of a great many atrocities. I know that this type of show caters to a specific type of person and I realize that I don’t exactly match that demographic. At the same time, KOOF is a prime example of how ugly hate and ignorance can be. I’m pretty sure he doesn’t know a single gay person (or at least doesn’t realize he knows gay people) and gets most of his opinions from this show. Maybe I’d feel differently if gay people had the same rights the rest of the U.S does…I'm not saying that these things can't be said or that people don't have a right to say them-just that radio stations that fall under FCC guidelines are not the proper forum. You can’t expect people in the gay community who have fought so hard for their rights and continue to fight on a daily basis for equal rights to sit quietly by while this show demeans them. Just as the DJ’s assume they have a right to say such things, the public has a right to a response.
Grow up people. Sticks and stones should break your bones but words should never hurt you.
-My band Madison Strays was referred to as "Madison Gays" on the air. And you know what? I laughed it off. Because I realise the music we make is a little... well you know.
-Rudy the board op is gay and gets made fun of constantly about being gay along with many other things. HE laughs it off.
-JV had a gay dog once I think...
-Elvis has a gay brother...
-I have gay cousins, uncles and friends...
ALL OF THEM CAN TAKE A JOKE!
My point is, not all people get offended as easily as you might. So asking people to stop using words just so YOU can feel better is selfish and annoying and you should go kill yourself. NOT because you're gay, but because you have nothing to live for other than your own self-righteous pity party.
Again I want to take this opportunity to thank the gay community for promoting my blog... and this time I need to say thanks for promoting my band as well.
Cheers.
I think that you guys are attaching WAY too much importance to this one word. Causing an uproar over A WORD just shows people how to hurt you.
And for the record, JV and Elvis speak to everyone in the same manner. I guess some people are so sensitive that they run and start a petition while others can understand a joke and laugh at themselves. Also if you approach with disrespect often you're gonna get it right back.
It really doesn't matter how many gay pets, friends, or relatives they have. It doesn't excuse the fact that they are actively cultivating an anti-gay environment. I understand that they ‘attack’ everyone but there is a difference. In this interview they basically equate everything negative with being gay! It is SO clear from this show any MANY of their other shows! They are furthering extremely negative gay stereotypes and, frankly, owing to the typically low IQ of their audience and bias of their demographic, it’s dangerous and reckless.
And what gives you the right to tell other people what they should or shouldn’t be offended by? Your platform of apathy is disgusting and lazy. It wouldn’t take much of an effort for them to purge their show of this type of language. Unfortunately, they are ass clowns and it seems extremely doubtful that anything short of bringing the FCC down on them will curb this behavior. They wouldn’t even apologize-how hard would that have been to do when they were SO clearly in the wrong? WTF is up with that?
I wouldn't worry too much about this bro-ha-ha.
92.3 has been hemmoraging ratings since Stern left.. years after he's gone, it's still been steadily downhill.
They've lost 10% of their arbitron ratings in the past year alone. They aren't even in the top 15 stations in New York.
I wouldn't worry about the audience of "the Doghouse".. there are not many of them (ratings don't lie) .. and most of them still live in their parents' basements on Staten Island or Long Island.
Elizabeth, I really admire you for holding your own and consistently responding to the Dog House fans in an educated and articulate manner. It doesn't matter if you've been smarmy or not, you have answered w/a lot of intelligence and insight. I suspected that a lot of these fans were sheltered, overgrown frat boys or wanna-be frat boys with low IQs, low self esteem (maybe over-inflated, exaggerated? I'm not sure what word I am looking for...) and with low boiling points, of course.
Then I saw KOOF's MySpace you linked to. Holy Shit, I didn't know he'd be THAT much of a walking stereotype of what I imagined -in EVERY sense of the word.
I couldn't control myself as well as you have; I'd really be more insulting. The lack of independent thought and limited use of reading comprehension skills (not to mention proper spelling skills) would really make me go off the deep end. You didn't get down to their level. Congrats, and again, great job!
Bottom line: a lot of liberated and feminist-leaning NYers consider words like: dumb jock, frat boy, low IQ, Howard Stern, etc., to signify something distasteful, something that we don't want to be associated with. To associate a stranger w/some of those words would be an intentionally insulting judgment on our part. Yeah, it's obvious that you're not using words like "faggot", "bitch," or "pussy," to their literal meanings. We know you don't mean calling someone "faggot" means you mean GAY MAN. Those words all just mean anything repugnant, the ultimate low-blow insult to throw at one of the dudes. We get it! And that's why we object to it!
They were fired!
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